IF Russia choose to invade now....assuming their military was up to the task.....how would we fair both militarily and the armed populace?
hsc
Also assuming everyone has seen the '80's movie.

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high speed cruise |
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I see now there is a Red Dawn remake in the works.
IF Russia choose to invade now....assuming their military was up to the task.....how would we fair both militarily and the armed populace? hsc Also assuming everyone has seen the '80's movie. |
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"You cannot invade the mainland United States.
There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japanese Navy) It's my understanding that filming will take place here in northern Michigan. Greg |
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beanstrung |
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high speed cruise wrote:From their perspective, they don't WANT to invade now. "Never interfere with the enemy when he is destroying himself..." -Sun Tzu
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RLMbassist |
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Let the Russians come! I'm out of work now, I'll volunteer to fight them, as long as there is some service pay, and my RA doesn't flare up and
make my hands clubs.
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Mountain Doctor |
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The original was, IMHO, a well done and interesting film that made a number of very valid points in a semi-realistic scenario. I don't know where it was
filmed, but it looked like the Northwestern high desert. Looked like it was filmed in my backyard.
Mental note: Buy more guns and ammo. Maybe ComBlock stuff.... |
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Ed Novak |
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Interesting thought/question. Logistics for all the various calibers would be a nightmare. I've a couple thousand 7.62X54 and a couple thousand 7.62X25 and
a thousand or so 30-06 - all milsurp. A few hundred .303Br. handloads and same for 6.5X55. I will be that the vast majority of ammo would be
"combloc" calibers or 5.56, followed by 7.62X51. Maybe?
NRA Endowment member
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I pick up my end of the world weapon this Friday. It's a Arsenal SLR-95 AK-47 Bulgarian made. 7.62x39. I'll be ready who ever the enemy is....
A victim is an unarmed citizen . Carry
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svt194 |
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There were more Latinos in that movie than Russians:) But I don't think they want to invade either...the Big Brother scenario is more up to date.
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JTB1967 |
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I'm not worried Obama will protect me!
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RLMbassist |
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The Mosin-Nagant was way obsolete when it was most used (WWII.) If the invasion did come, imagine how many would come out, on our side! I bet there are
several people on this forum, that could arm their whole neighborhood with one rifle per house.
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eagle7 |
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The Red Chinese won't attack us since they have too much of an economic stake in the USA. If they were to invade a few Walmarts and Sam's Clubs might
be destroyed in the fighting, and Bejing definately doesn't want that.
Russia has the potential to oppose us, but for the meantime their plate is full. After they "re-absorb" Georgia, Belarus, the Ukraine, Chechyna, Moldavia, and the Baltic republics, Russia might decide that the USA doesn't need Alaska anymore. The marxist Latin American countries lack the military strength and organizational ability to be any more than a nuisance. The real invasion is coming from south of the border, though our leadership refuses to acknowledge the threat. Within two generations the American Southwest will be overwhelmed culturally and politically by Hispanic immigrants. The irreversable demographic shifting of power has already begun. If anyone doesn't believe that they need to make a trip to Tucson, Las Cruces, El Paso, Albuquerque, LA, Phoenix, or just about any part of the Lone Star State with the exception of east Texas. Twenty years ago there was a symposium held which had the theme "What will the USA look like in the year 2050 ". After a week of discussion by academic types (economists, political scientists, demographers, historians, etc....), they came to the conclusion that there WOULDN'T be a United States of America by 2050. In their opinion the USA would fragment into different countries. Most of Texas and all of the territory lost by Mexico in 1846-1852 would be incorporated into a Hispanic nation they labelled "Mex-America". Much of the deep south would become "New Africa". Utah and parts of bordering AZ, CO, and NV would be a purely Mormon nation state. The Northeast and the formerly industrialized Great Lakes region would become socialist/marxist welfare states (gee, hasn't that already happened?). The country formed in the American agricultural heartland would end up as the cultural heir of traditional Americanism, but would be in conflict with it's neighbors over control of food resources. I read about this back in the late 1980s and thought it was off the wall, but now I'm not so sure. |
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eagle7 |
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I don't agree that the Mosin Nagant rifles and carbines were "way obsolete when it was most used (WWII)". What yardstick are we using to judge
the effectiveness of MN design? It is comparable to, or better than the bolt action battle rifles that it faced; K98s and other M98 Mausers, M95s and the
various other Hungarian Mannlicher models, Carcanos, Arisaka T 38s and Type 99s. Personally, I would prefer a MN in combat over any of the semi-auto battle
rifles used on the Eastern Front. The G41s were junk, the G/K43s were marginal, and the SVT40 was little better. I don't compare the MN rifles to the
Garand (and the Johnson rifle) because the MN wasn't fielded against it until Korea in 1950. If you want to consider the Korean War, then I agree. IMHO
both the Garand and the No4 Lee Enfields were just as durable and reliable as the MNs, and they trumped the Mosins in firepower (8 or 10 round magazines vs a 5
rd magazine).
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I like the original movie a lot. A new one is going to have to come a long way to top it.
Is Millius involved?? If not it doesn't stand a chance of surpassing the original.
Parallax
Lee Enfield Collector's Society member #3 Mauser Shooter's Association member #17 Forum administrator for the Carolina C&R Shooting & Collecting Club, |
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ParallaxBill |
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Ah, just looked it up. John Millius is doing the screenplay. Fantastic!
Did I mention I am a Millius fan?
Parallax
Lee Enfield Collector's Society member #3 Mauser Shooter's Association member #17 Forum administrator for the Carolina C&R Shooting & Collecting Club, |
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"The Red Chinese won't attack us since they have too much of an economic stake in the USA. If they were to invade a few Walmarts and Sam's Clubs
might be destroyed in the fighting, and Bejing definately doesn't want that. "
It won't be called an attack, it will be them simply trying to collect on the loans we can never repay. What did we use for collateral? California and Hawaii?
China has really been dumping large amounts of money into their military. Updated and increased numbers of everything! They would have the best chance of success in a mainland USA attack in my opinion. Oh yea, don't forget all the cyber attack training they keep doing on OUR resources. If I understand correctly, our current president wants to cancel all new fighter aircraft for the military except the joint strike fighter. Guess what plane the chinese stole lots of information on? This is stuff that's been in the news and it's scary. I think an attack from Russia on the USA is a no-go but I would be worried if I lived in some European countries. |
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eagle7 |
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There doesn't have to be a war to defeat the USA. If China wanted to economically devastate the USA, all they would have to do is dump the enormous US
debt they hold for pennies on the dollar. The debt they hold is in the form of Treasury bonds and bills, which they accumulated when the Federal Reserve
started to monetize the US deficit. Of course the Chinese would take a beating on their investment (as would the Arabs and Japanese), but their society is
better suited to weather an economic storm. The Chinese are conditioned by their authoritarian government to accept hard labor and austere living conditions.
On the other hand Americans will not accept the privation and hardship that will follow a total economic meltdown, 90% unemployment and hyperinflation.
Economic collapse will equal the demise of our form of government. For historical parallels look at the Weimar Republic in the early 1920s, Argentina in
2001, and Zimbabwe today. Every time China starts making noises about switching the world monetary standard from the US dollar to another currency,
Americans should get nervous.
IMO China doesn't have the logistical infrastructure to launch a 3,000 mile amphibious attack on the USA. For now Taiwan is enough of a challenge, and their immediate military objective. Mark my words, Taiwan's days are numbered. The People's Republic of China is just bidding it's time. The first Red Dawn movie was a little too "mild" for my tastes. IMO there would be many more collaborators in that town than just the mayor. In reality there would be a "people's militia" of American turncoats that would be used to ferret out the young resistance fighters. The main aim of the conquerors would have been depopulation of the country, not the enslavement of a sullen population. Hopefully the remake is a little more gritty. |
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Ed Novak |
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The MN in any of its variants is an extremely sturdy rifle; slavic in its truest sense, perhaps a bit clumsy in function for the new user but functional. When
has anyone known any milsurp user to need a "different bolt-head" for an MN/variant? I am a fan of both the MN (M91, 91/30, M39) and the LEs
(SMLE/No.1 and the No.4) and I'd be hard put to naysay either of these rifles in good nick. The SKS and the AK (and variants) are workhorses of the first
order, very functional and quite adequate for the purposes for which intended. In a "field" situation, I'd bet the AK over all else, including
the M-15 and all of its variants for functionality and ease of ammunition supply. I'd love to have one of the top-end DPMS rifles but I cannot afford one.
I can afford an AK variant and it would suffice for defense, if not for target work beyond 300 - 400 yds. I am not skilled with semi-autos, other than my M1
but I think that the SVT-40 and the clones are probably very functional and durable well beyond my M1.
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eagle7 |
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The odd thing about the SVT 40 was that the Germans and Finns liked it more than the Soviets. In the Soviet point of view the SVT 40 had two flaws; it required
complicated machining to build and it was not durable or reliable in the hands of half-trained peasants. It had to be cleaned and maintained to a high standard
and the operator had to know how to adjust the gas system. Better trained troops like the Soviet naval infantry liked the weapon. Another problem was that many
more M91/30 MN rifles or PPSh41 smgs could be cranked out in the time required to build a limited number of SVT 40s. As a result the SVTs were phased out of
production as the war progressed, and canceled outright in 1945.
A couple of years ago there was a rather heated "Garand vs SVT 40" discussion on Gunboards, and the fans of the M1 really slammed the Soviet rifle.
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Guys, I love my Country and my freedom. I'm not worried about China or the Russians. I'm worried about our Government and the federal Reserve. Sorry I
hope I don't offend anyone.
A victim is an unarmed citizen . Carry
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high speed cruise |
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Finally getting some of the kind of replies I was looking for.....
All are right on the mark. hsc |
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Mountain Doctor |
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I'm a fundamentalist Christian. With God as my father, what on Earth frightens me? Nothing. Bring it on. I'm just passing through. It's like
renting an apartment in SanFranFreakShow when the Big One hits. Just walk away. I've no real stake in it.
How to make this C&R related.... I've got both AR's and AK's so I can use whatever ammo is available. Plus, the mortar! |
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