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Posts: 142 (08/18/09 08:15 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None #4mk2. How many has a star on the stock. just behind the hand grip (pistol grip) on the under side? shotout
shotout		#1	[-]
Posts: 146 (08/19/09 06:22 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Must not mean much or nobody knows. Thanks anyhow.shotout
bigedp51		#2	[-]
Posts: 358 (08/19/09 06:45 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It means you're the only one in this world with a rusty wooden Enfield butt stock. (or else your Jewish)
shotout		#3	[-]
Posts: 147 (08/19/09 07:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Sorry about that. If there is a difference. It is not the (*) it is a five point star.shotout
brewstop		#4	[-]
Posts: 450 (08/20/09 07:13 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The No1 marks were generally superceded by the time the No4 came along - many of them have different meanings, depending upon which rifle, or even which country owned the rifle. Most "5 point star" and "star with W" marks on No4s are believed - but not yet proven - to be inspection marks from the Weedon depot in UK. This depot used to contain all the war reserve rifles. At the end of any big war - WW2, Korea, Suez - when many troops were disbanded, thousands of rifles were returned to Weedon for storage. Obviously, they cleaned the rifles and made sure that they were in "as new" condition before greasing them up and putting them on the shelves.
temperflash		#5	[-]
Posts: 473 (08/20/09 09:34 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	brewstop wrote: The No1 marks were generally superceded by the time the No4 came along - many of them have different meanings, depending upon which rifle, or even which country owned the rifle. Most "5 point star" and "star with W" marks on No4s are believed - but not yet proven - to be inspection marks from the Weedon depot in UK. This depot used to contain all the war reserve rifles. At the end of any big war - WW2, Korea, Suez - when many troops were disbanded, thousands of rifles were returned to Weedon for storage. Obviously, they cleaned the rifles and made sure that they were in "as new" condition before greasing them up and putting them on the shelves. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/causes_suez-crisis-1956.htm Not even much of a dustup hardly a "Big War". Us Arms dealers bought up surplus Enfields after each World War (now those were undoubtably "big wars") at scrap metal prices of ten to thirty cents per pound. Britain had too few competent personel available at the end of WW1, due to the massive worldwide causualties from the Spanish flu,( which killed more people far from the front than years of war and left both the winners as well as the losers drained of manpower), to properly store many of the de-mobbed rifles. P-14 rifles especially suffered from inadequate inspection and storage, many later being "brought to Produce" due to rust under the wood and warped stocks, some were salvaged and restocked, many others were sold to Belgian arms dealers and rebarreled or rebored to 8mm Mauser for sale to China among other clients. The chinese later rebarreled many M1917 rifles to 8mm, a cartridge they had production facilities for due to their widespread use of Mauser type short rifles in that caliber. If you find a P-14 receiver fitted with an M1917 bolt its likely from a Belgian conversion. These were for sale cheap in the nineties, some with shotout 8mm barrel still in place.
shotout		#6	[-]
Posts: 150 (08/20/09 12:12 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	temperflash, brewstop got the point across well enough for my question. The star is under a 9 with a W above the 9. I don't know where and why you come up with a bunch of stuff that is not exactly related to a question. A lot of it makes for good reading but does not get the point across to the subject in question. shotout Go ahead, post shotout wrote. sure I did, you don't have to post what I wrote to reply.
Youngblood		#7	[-]
Posts: 1124 (08/20/09 12:38 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks for posting the additional information & link, temperflash. I found it all very interesting! Kim
temperflash		#8	[-]
Posts: 475 (08/20/09 09:35 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Youngblood wrote: Thanks for posting the additional information & link, temperflash. I found it all very interesting! Kim Thanks, the mention of the Suez Canal among the Big wars seemed to require correction. I was following events in the news during that dustup and it never seemed to be a big war at the time, though of course for those killed it was the war that ended all wars as effectively as any other. The other information comes from a book I have on Surplus Arms dealing during the Post war periods, written by George P Herter and his son Jaques. A very detailed and interesting book with some details on ballistics and metalurgy, though unfortunately none on the Enfields other than the 1917. The Information on P-14 rifles degraded in storage came from an old interview with a British veteran and the Belgian modified P-14 rifles that showed up on the market. As for the topic I vaguely remember a star like this being mentioned somewhere else but its meaning escapes me at the moment, it may come to me later.
shotout		#9	[-]
Posts: 152 (08/20/09 09:54 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I am sure it will. I have already settled it in my mind. As for the article on the Suez Canal, I thought it had very little to do with a star on the stock of a #4mk2. It's this the kind of stuff I was talking about being in a thread that has nothing to do with the question being ask. Most of your replies are just a distraction to what is being discussed. I find it disgusting shotout
bigedp51		#10	[-]
Posts: 363 (08/20/09 10:24 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Shotout It's called hijacking a thread or posting, if you had asked a question about baking bread Temperflash would have posted a story about bicycle safety and how he liked riding a unicycle when he was in the Circus. I assume shotout you have seen too many clown acts in the Enfield Circus Maximus.
mini neb		#11	[-]
Posts: 48 (08/24/09 02:58 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hello there: To answer your Q...Neather my UF 1955 of PF 1954 rifle have the star. Just factory IDs is all.
shotout		#12	[-]
Posts: 161 (08/24/09 06:09 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	mini neb, thanks for posting, but can you explain how that answers my ?.shotout
thedoveshooter		#13	[-]
Posts: 35 (08/26/09 07:26 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I looks to me that temperflash just likes to showoff his knowledge. He gos the VERY long way around te barn to answer questions; I guess he can do as he please though, it is a free country.
brass rat		#14	[-]
Posts: 2074 (08/29/09 09:43 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I guess he can do as he please though, it is a free country. The answers are also free, and as it is with most free stuff you don't always get exactly what you want, how you want. Sometimes you have to dig through the chafe to find the wheat. But look on the bright side, I can guarantee that any answer you get will be at least worth the price you paid for it. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why not join us at Milsurp After Hours handloading forum
brewstop		#15	[-]
Posts: 452 (08/29/09 10:36 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	mini neb wrote: Hello there: To answer your Q...Neather my UF 1955 of PF 1954 rifle have the star. Just factory IDs is all. Most of those particular rifles never entered service - they were stored as factory-new rifles, and then sold as surplus. Hence they never needed to go through a back-loading inspection. The British Army held most of its required spare rifles in its own system of regional depots. Weedon held the strategic reserve, and tended to receive the overflow following major de-mobilisations - e.g. of national service and reserve troops after conflicts, and when major overseas garrisons and depots were closed down.
shotout		#16	[-]
Posts: 172 (08/29/09 11:16 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This rifle shows signs of having been in service for some time, but is not beat to death. All matching #'s and shoots good. Even the wood dings where the wood pieces meat are matching. All wood is the same color and has not been refinished. As for how they got there I don't know but the wood has the sr#'s also. This is the one that was on the rack with the 2A1, and they spoke to me. $125.00 each 3 years ago.shotout

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