5.45 x 39 mm Smith and Wesson AR RANGE REPORT

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high speed cruise	5.45 x 39 mm Smith and Wesson AR RANGE REPORT	Lead	[-]
Posts: 3191 (10/22/09 08:24 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None Well guys, It was long overdue, but finally got the 5.45 x 39mm M&P 15 on paper. Visited Smokepole50 today (12 hours round trip for me) and we shot the M&P! I should have measured the tape we were shooting at, but it was about 1.5 times the size of a credit card. Tried out both Wolf 70 grain and Bulgarian surplus 7N6 55 grain (yes corrosive) ammo. Here are the results: This is me shooting the Wolf ammo. (LEFT PIECE OF TAPE). First group fell to the left, second group dead center after a sighting adjustment. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d198/letsgo118/545Wolflefttarget75yards.jpg This is me (LEFT PIECE OF TAPE) shooting the Bulgarian surplus. I sucked! For some reason, the target seemed really blurry and I had trouble. The small holes over the right piece of tape note Smokepole's attempt....he did much better! http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d198/letsgo118/545BulgarianSurpluslefttarget75yard.jpg Here is the rifle. Smith and Wesson M&P 15 in 5.45 x 39mm. Magpul stock and Rock River Arms "ERGO" grip with National Match (RRA) trigger group. Although Patrick Sweeny writing in the S&W magazine last Spring opined that one might need the heavy-duty hammer spring S&W ships with the rifle, the RRA "NM" set of springs worked perfectly with both examples of steel-cased ammo. Silver Bear ammo goes off each time as well. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d198/letsgo118/updatedMP15.jpg Cleaning after corrosive ammo: Did a field strip at the range immediately after shooting....ran some wet (water) patches down the bore and poured some water on all the internals. When back at home, "went crazy" again as I am known for by a strip down of the bolt and removal of handgards. Internals were soaked, rinsed, and tooth brushed off in scalding hot water (hot as I could stand) and I literally brought the handgardless upper into the shower to be sprayed off with my MOEN shower massage. Never can seem to clean the gas tubes right even with pipe cleaners.... Hit the bore with a .22 cal. bore snake then used a blow dryer to heat up all parts and thoroughly dry the weapon. Rem oil was then used to oil and lube then reassembled rifle. I think if one has a good supply of 5.45 surplus the complete upper in 5.45 is a good idea! I'm sure I can do better (at least as good as Smokepole) when shooting the surplus. Wolf ammo is much cheaper then about any .223 out there so the savings would add up over time. hsc *waiting for the inevitable "shower" jokes to come.........
WVchuck		#1	[-]
Posts: 12560 (10/24/09 02:31 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Did you use 5.45x39 mag or regular AR mags in the 5.45 upper? Did the wobble between the upper and lower cause any problems? Feeding and firing 100%?
Bryan 45		#2	[-]
Posts: 2597 (10/24/09 05:20 PM) Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Greg, please make this your last post with reference to "MOEN shower massage."
WVchuck		#3	[-]
Posts: 12566 (10/24/09 06:15 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	His rifles only shower with the best shower massagers.... Seriously, Greg, I need some info on the 5.45 upper & it's fucntion!!
Jacks308		#4	[-]
Posts: 844 (10/24/09 06:22 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hmmmm............ Rifle cleaners by Moen . I think I'd like to see the display at the gun store first before I buy one . Jack
390ish		#5	[-]
Posts: 46 (10/24/09 09:54 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	you can probably find a water-pick at a yardsale prety cheep. use boiling water. dries itself in my ak 74's. what a round. i thing the mil-surp is the catts behind for this cartridge. would love to be able to reload for this sucker. i would guess that h-322 or aa 2230 would shine with the 53 grainers, maybe even benchmark.
high speed cruise		#6	[-]
Posts: 3193 (10/25/09 12:05 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	WV Chuck, I have tried to use a USGI .223 mag WITHOUT ANY LUCK. I used C-products 5.45x39mm mags. Reliability is near 100%, occasionally (1 in 400 rounds) will fail to chamber, just rack the slide and keep going. I haven't always cleaned my gun like I should, I think I've used the "forward assist" twice in about a thousand rounds fired. Like the opening post said (or I wanted it to say anyway), I put in a Rock River Arms National Match two stage trigger and used RRA's hammer spring (against the advice of gunwriter Patrick Sweeney) and yet had 100% reliability with Silver Bear, Wolf, and Bulgarian surplus. Upper and lower play had no ill effects. AM I THE ONLY ONE TO BRING BARRELS INTO THE SHOWER? You've got to be kidding! All jokes aside (honestly the jokes are hilarious) it's so effective and easy, I can't be the only one. hsc Last Edited By: high speed cruise 10/25/09 12:07 AM. Edited 1 times.
WVchuck		#7	[-]
Posts: 12567 (10/25/09 06:56 AM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks for the info Greg, looks like I'll order a few of the CMags in 5.45x39. I'll try a USGI mag just to see. The one thing I noticed yesterday when loading one of the USGI mags was that it only hold 28 rounds instead of 30 of the 5.45x39 rounds. No, I have never brought a rifle, or just a barrel into the shower with me. (Now waiting for the Beanstrung or Hoosierdaddy slapshot about me not knowing what a shower is.....so I'll head them off at the pass and make a comment about just taking my upper to the creek and beating it over some rocks to get it clean).
beanstrung		#8	[-]
Posts: 5658 (10/25/09 07:38 AM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Moen faucets...? typical Moen customer? I can't tell if this guy has a lot of nasal drainage, or if he's heaving his cookies: (looks like he shaves his biceps, though) Still another guy doing the same thing: Must be part of the Moen SOP...? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10 Last Edited By: beanstrung 10/25/09 07:43 AM. Edited 1 times.
high speed cruise		#9	[-]
Posts: 3196 (10/25/09 12:54 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Chuck, Go to aimsurplus for the mags, they are $7.00 cheaper than when I ordered mine. hsc
WVchuck		#10	[-]
Posts: 12573 (10/25/09 03:33 PM) Forum Site Moderator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yup, I saw those!! Thanks Mr. Moen....I mean Greg!!
high speed cruise		#11	[-]
Posts: 3197 (10/25/09 08:35 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Chuck, I was thinking about your getting that upper today.........that's pretty neat. Maybe those are finally catching on. hsc