Stalingrad....I don't know if I'll ever watch it again and I bought it.

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high speed cruise	Stalingrad....I don't know if I'll ever watch it again and I bought it.	Lead	[-]
Posts: 3228 (11/03/09 11:31 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None I'm going to start off with a historical review, then emotional. The movie does a great job with weapons: K98's, MG34, MP40, PPSH (Germans prefer and say why), M91/30, P38, Luger. All blank-firing devices can easily been seen, the muzzles look much too small. House-to-house fighting is well-represented, the general suffering of the battle is evident. General Paulus is shown as a decent and almost fatherly figure, all the personal story of the movie is on a single unit. So Paulus' failure to breakout of the city is not covered. Emotion: the human plight is pretty grim and historically correct. Nazi cruelty is clearly evident, along with what readers of Stuka Pilot would be familiar with, ie: "Germany is invading Russia to protect Europe, etc." Any German who doesn't wish to be cruel is ostracized by Nazi leadership. Later a cruel Nazi is shot by his own men, and none too soon! I wonder how often that happened in the actual battle? Desertion is also shown which I don't know how many soldiers did desert but I'm sure some did. Although the movie was really good something seemed lacking that most American movies have.....can't put my finger on it. It WAS just like "Das Boot," though in that you'd never want anyone to ever fight a war again. So much suffering and so sad I don't know if I can watch it again and I bought the movie. hsc
eb in oregon		#1	[-]
Posts: 1045 (11/04/09 05:39 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I was bawling at the end of this movie. One soldier can and will disagree with the political motivations of another soldier, to include some of the things that soldier may do, but soldiers can, and do respect another country's soldiers. Stalingrad. One of, if not the greatest, losses of good, veteran, dedicated soldiers in modern, if not all history. eb "We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776 Last Edited By: eb in oregon 02/09/05 03:57 PM. Edited 1 times.
RLMbassist		#2	[-]
Posts: 220 (11/05/09 05:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I actually had not heard of this one. Will have to see it. Did watch some clips from it on youtube. Watched the scene where they are trying to take the tractor factory, and they send a guy out by himself with a grenade to take a MG position. He got shot, and whatever they were using for stage blood that came gushing out of his mouth looked just like orange juice! It actually made me laugh. I must be sick!
Dalkowski110		#3	[-]
Posts: 1330 (11/06/09 10:11 PM) Forum Co-host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"He got shot, and whatever they were using for stage blood that came gushing out of his mouth looked just like orange juice! It actually made me laugh. I must be sick! " Nah. Sick is laughing your head off while watching that one guy dissolved by acid in Robocop...which I freely admit to doing (if you don't know the scene I'm talking about, the actor is overacting so ridiculously that he puts Yosemite Sam's "death scenes" to shame...).
Aubullet		#4	[-]
Posts: 1393 (11/07/09 01:20 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	That funny colored blood could be a more accurate depiction than you think. If he got shot in the stomach you would expect a mix of blood and bile to almost explode out of the mouth. I don't recall the specific scene and it has been quite awhile since I watched that film, but I will look for it next time I do watch it. Overall I thought it pretty realistic and horrific. I certianly don't recall any laughable scenes.
RLMbassist		#5	[-]
Posts: 224 (11/09/09 08:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The scene looked like a simulated lung shot. Blood should be red and frothy, not orange with pulp! Seriously though, looks like a good pic, want to see the whole thing. The leaping head shot scene from Enemy at the Gates was pretty laughable, but I still like that movie too.
Dalkowski110		#6	[-]
Posts: 1339 (11/11/09 07:21 AM) Forum Co-host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"Blood should be red and frothy, not orange with pulp!" This line here brings to mind a 1980's Saturday Night Live sketch about canned blood for vampires...
Mosu		#7	[-]
Posts: 408 (11/11/09 06:04 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	War time areal photos - Stalingrad http://www.wwii-photos-ma...os/Stalingrad/index.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/ Last Edited By: Mosu 11/11/09 06:11 PM. Edited 3 times.
7GREEN		#8	[-]
Posts: 694 (11/11/09 11:29 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Which version was this? I saw the 1993 German film on video, except for the scenes with the girl I thought it was well done. I liked the scene at the end where they are fighting Russian tanks and they actually are T-34s.
Mosu		#9	[-]
Posts: 409 (11/13/09 12:09 AM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tractorworks October 1942. German intelligence has let taken areal pictures in the day of time when shadow clarify topography? http://www.wwii-photos-ma...torworks%20230842-2.html The same in oblique areal pictures? http://www.wwii-photos-ma...torworks%20281042-2.html Perhaps, makes easier to plan advantageous attack directions (and directions in general) according to topography. Probably advanced oblique photographing technique methods were in use too. P.S. The winter scenes in the German movie with T-32s were taken in the north of Finland as they did not have snow in Central Europe (Czechoslovakia?) at filming time.They, IIRC, took a couple of T-34s to Lappland with huge Russian transport airplanes (Antonov something). After filming the T-34s were sold by auction. This I know. Last Edited By: Mosu 11/13/09 12:36 AM. Edited 7 times.
Mosu		#10	[-]
Posts: 410 (11/13/09 02:48 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Russians collect T-34s. http://rutube.ru/tracks/1...38af72b65824c7e72bf3bd71 http://www.militaryphotos.../showthread.php?t=111443 Last Edited By: Mosu 11/13/09 08:28 PM. Edited 1 times.
jimski	t34	#11	[-]
Posts: 570 (11/13/09 07:31 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Interesting. A. It appears to be in excellent shape. B. It appears to have German markings. C. It holds a lot of water. D. It is tiny compared to the things they used to retrieve it. Anybody read or speak Russian out there to fill us in on the captions and the talking? Jimski
Aubullet		#12	[-]
Posts: 1418 (11/13/09 07:52 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It does appear to have been a German capture put into service and the ditched (literally)! It's astonishing that the tracks seemed to be able to "roll", but I'm not sure that was the best thing for the internal components, Transmission, steering clutches, main clutches, engines and the entire drive train in general. Hopefully that was all in neutral or somehow a minor element snapped to free the rest. Hope we ever get to see it again ... fully restored and operational???
Mosu		#13	[-]
Posts: 411 (11/13/09 08:38 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	jimsk and Abullet: I used translation program Foxlingo, which is an add-on of Firefox (this is no ad). https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2444 And this was part it which I copied: 'In Estonia, in the summer of 1944, in Lake Myaatas, the retreating Germans dropped a captured Soviet T-34 tank. Divers clubs "Search" and "Ichthyandors" almost three weeks, washed six meter layer of peat and silt covered the T-34. The tank was lying at a depth of 9 meters. Their hard work ans succes has been done knowingly. Details on www.diving.ee' Obviously it will be a memorial or so as they seem to have put a considerable amout of money to get it out of the lake. They have over there lots of this kind of stuff in soil . The excellent shape is obviously due to the circumstances. It was lying in a lake in peat bog (several meter in it) where there is little oxygen. Many other findings were in laying in clay and of the same reason the condition was exellent. Last Edited By: Mosu 11/13/09 09:06 PM. Edited 6 times.
jimski	t34	#14	[-]
Posts: 571 (11/13/09 09:24 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well, three cheers for the Search and Ichthyandors! Brings up a topic which appeared in the Stalingrad film, if we are all talking about the same film, of the Germans using Soviet equipment. I haven't heard of them using T34's but, hey, they had their own squadron of B17's, yes? In the film they quickly swapped to the ppsh subguns as being all around superior to the MP40's. I used to have a cz52 which used the ppsh round, perhaps not loaded as powerful and the subgun round. It wanted to jump out of my hand with each kpow. My p38 is a little lamb compared to that cz52. I think the common 9mm round is rated for 50 yards but the Soviet subguns had sights that swapped between 100 and 200 yards. In the Russian Utube clip they are pulling old ammo out of the T34 and there are some small round drums included, maybe for a ppsh inside? Jimski
Colin		#15	[-]
Posts: 2080 (11/15/09 12:43 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	T 34s must be tough: in one of Mosu's posts there is a note that they changed the oil in the engine, added fuel and made a few minor repairs, and after three days started the engine and drove the tank!!. Try that with an M1 Abrams.
Mosu	captured weapons at east front	#16	[-]
Posts: 412 (11/16/09 04:51 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Here Russian MP models: http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MACHINEPISTOLS2.htm Last Edited By: Mosu 11/28/09 05:50 PM. Edited 5 times.
reddogge		#17	[-]
Posts: 4963 (11/22/09 10:22 AM) Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Although the movie was really good something seemed lacking that most American movies have.....can't put my finger on it. You mean Hollywood smaltziness and hookieness and historical inaccuracy? "What happened? What the HELL happened?" Jake Holman "The Sandpebbles"