Tragedy at Ft. Hood

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Ed Novak		#21	[-]
Posts: 2181 (11/07/09 02:50 PM) More My Recent Posts	and the DOD thinks Gays are a problem? NRA Endowment member LECS #2
Aubullet		#22	[-]
Posts: 1395 (11/07/09 02:57 PM) Veteran member More My Recent Posts	Good thought Greg, but then again, he was effectively in the position to decide on the mental competence and fitness of those who do! I hope you are right MD!!!
stantheman1986	YES!	#23	[-]
Posts: 5539 (11/07/09 04:33 PM) More My Recent Posts	Mountain Doctor is right on! My thoughts exactly. It is true on all levels of the army, and probably the entire military, "headaches" often just get moved somewhere else, whether you're a Private E-1 or a Major General........we have "problem children" here in our company, it starts by sending them to another platoon to see if a "change in leadership" will help them, or usually to another company or battalion. So they become someone else's problem. And when they eventually get chaptered for something they still hang around for months until they clear, causing problems and having to be "babysat" until they eventually get a ride out the front gate and released upon the world. So it's hard to just "get rid of someone" in the army, not like a regular job where you screw up, and it's "You're fired,clean your locker out and we'll mail your last paycheck" Also, NCO's can get shuffled around if they are in the army long enough, say a unit needs E-5's and E-6's and maybe another Division has a unit that has "extra" so they send the worst ones when the request comes in. Our company just got like 4 new E-5's from other divisions and all of them are "crap"bags. It's hard to take stripes away, it's easier to just move them on down the road. The problem is, like the cowardly shooter at Ft. Hood, if you hang around long enough and don't do anything too overt to get in serious trouble you will eventually move up in rank. I know people who are E-6's, and E-7's who probaly wouldn't even be E-4's if they were even allowed to stay in if it weren't for the fact that the army is hurting for people so bad.
Carl Gustav		#24	[-]
Posts: 3545 (11/07/09 07:07 PM) Forum Site Moderator More My Recent Posts	lame "safety books" we have to fill out Huh?! I'm glad I served in the army forty years ago! When I was stationed at Fort Belvoir in 1970 and the weekend came, we were free to go anywhere we wanted and didn't have tell anyone where. Ah, the good old days. Carl
eagle7		#25	[-]
Posts: 4135 (11/07/09 08:18 PM) More My Recent Posts	Carl, I know what you're talking about. When I enlisted way back in 1983 everybody was considered an adult. If you screwed up it was on you. Right after Desert Storm we NCOs suddenly found ourselves in the babysitting business. If one of our soldiers beat up his wife or got a DUI during the weekend, somehow it was the fault of his squad leader, section sergeant, and platoon sergeant. It was a "a failure of leadership". However, if a first sergeant got a DUI, nobody held the company commander or battalion CSM responsible. In other words, collective blame at the platoon NCO level became a "stick" to beat sergeants with. It didn't apply to senior NCOs or officers. I guarantee that this "major" Hassan's poor job performance in no way impacted his commissioned officer bosses. His relatives have crawled out from under a rock and are claiming discrimination was to blame for his murderous spree. I assure any of you guys that do not have a military background that this is 100% bunk. I guarantee the Army hospital he worked at had two individuals designated as the Equal Opportunity (EO) representatives. Any allegation of racism, religious discrimination, sexism, etc..., and the EO reps are all over it. Just an allegation of an EO violation can be the kiss of death for a soldier's career. On the NCO evaluation reports there is a bullet comment that says "Supports Equal Opportunity". Getting that block marked "no" is a quick way to cancel out any chance for further advancement. The modern Army is VERY politically correct, and the soldiers are conditioned to be that way.
Colin		#26	[-]
Posts: 2071 (11/07/09 10:42 PM) More My Recent Posts	Just goes to prove again that any 'gun free zone', whether it be an Army post, a school, hospital or court house, is nothing but a free fire zone for armed psychopaths. I haven't heard anyone comment on the fact it took 4 hits to stop him. The woman who put him down was a contract police officer. The ones here at Fort Bliss who man the gates carry M9 Berettas and probably have them loaded with GI hardball. Doesn't say much for the stopping power of the 9mm (or of the 5.7 FN he used, when you consider the number of wounded, and that he had hit her three times before she put him down)
BobM14		#27	[-]
Posts: 718 (11/07/09 10:51 PM) More My Recent Posts	I'm with you Doc. Each and every post. He's a muslim, he killed at least a dozen American's, he is an Islamic Terrorist. No "outside" connection is needed. His outside connection is allah. I hope he meets him soon. Armed Infidel
stantheman1986	Yup	#28	[-]
Posts: 5540 (11/08/09 12:39 PM) More My Recent Posts	Yeah, we are NOT treated like adults, I'm a 29 year old E-5 who's deployed once, and has a BS degree, but I have to print out a map on the little TRiPS application the army makes us use, and if we drive over 250 miles we have to designate a "rest stop".......I get treated like an 18 year old private, not a grown man. Every time you travel past like 150 miles you need a "pass"........so yeah, lots of times I don't bother with the pass and no one knows what I do and where I go. We are definitely in the babysitting business as NCO's, I had a private with mental problems threaten to call IG because I wouldn't drive him to McDonalds........I also have been accused of not doing my job because I refuse to shuttle around these kids for mundane tasks like shopping and fast food,kids who don't have the sense to buy themselves some kind of vehicle to get themselves around, some don't even have licenses. I have had my own vehicle since I was 17, it doesn't have to be a Lexus or a Benz-o but a $1,000 1995 Honda Civic will do just fine, but these kids would rather blow money on PS3 games and lord knows what else than learn to be MEN and get themselves a vehicle. I won't lie, I only have 9 months left in the army so I really don't care what anyone thinks, I never thought an E-5 had to be a (Taxi driver, financial advisor, psychologist, accountant, etc.) My biggest "bug" these days is having to try to avoid burning my gas and loading 4 or 5 dirty "children" in my car to take them to do stuff they should be doing themselves. Anyway, rant over.........but yes, the guards, civilian and military police here at Drum all carry the M9 loaded with FMJ ball ammo. I don't know what kind of response weapons they have. I assume shotguns and M4's for the MP's and AR-15's for the civilian police.
7GREEN		#29	[-]
Posts: 690 (11/08/09 07:17 PM) Veteran member More My Recent Posts	The Army has always had double and triple standards, I read a book entitled "Battle for the Central Highlands" by an SF type who received a direct commision, as an officer he noted there was one set of rules for the EM, another for the officers, another for the West Pointers. Plenty of "crap" in the ranks in my day 1966-1972, an EM who who was a dopehead usually got an Undesireable or Other than Honorable discharge, NCOs who were crap were shunted off to training commands. Or "dealt with" in other ways. Later as a company grade officer, one set of rules for the EMs, one set for the NCOs, then for the West Pointers vs. ROTC/OCS officers, yet another set of rules for the females. In the 1960s you needed a pass to go off post, where and how far you went, nobody cared, just be back when you were supposed to. We had passes in BCT, it was one of the incentives for perfoming well. Only times I remember riding in a superior's POV was in Germany, a couple of times I was asked to ride with superiors-an E-6, the 1SG once, one time with one of the platoon leaders to interpret for them for private business. Once I rode with the BN XO to interpret officially, if someone wanted to give you a ride, fine, but it was not expected nor required of them. People with "mental" problems were sent to the mental health professionals usually when a superior ordered it, claiming to be "mental" carried a stigma back then, I knew someone who dodged the draft by convincing them he had "mental" problems, he told me it later cost him a good civilian job.
beanstrung		#30	[-]
Posts: 5713 (11/08/09 08:11 PM) Forum Site Moderator More My Recent Posts	BobM14 wrote: I'm with you Doc. Each and every post. He's a muslim, he killed at least a dozen American's, he is an Islamic Terrorist. No "outside" connection is needed. His outside connection is allah. I hope he meets him soon. It's not "politically correct", but it is what is is. If those who continually claim that Islam "is a PEACEFUL religion" are really sincere, let them step up and at least verbally denounce this mad-man's actions. I will readily accept and applaud their denouncement. I was raised as an Irish-Catholic, nevertheless I publicly denounce the actions of the IRA and their terrorist actions against innocent victims... I would like to see the rank-and-file everyday Muslims do the same about this guy and his claims to serving "Allah". -Bean --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10
Ed Novak		#31	[-]
Posts: 2185 (11/08/09 08:46 PM) More My Recent Posts	It would be reassuring; much moreso than the silence, the "victimization" excuse statements or the open and frank hostility being put out towards us "infidels". NRA Endowment member LECS #2
eagle7		#32	[-]
Posts: 4140 (11/09/09 01:02 PM) More My Recent Posts	PC is the reason why the War on Terror (or whatever the current administration calls it) will drag on and on without a successful conclusion. It all has to do with oil, Mideast oil to be specific. If we were not economically dependent on a bunch of people who are ideologically and religiously opposed to us for much of our petroleum needs, we wouldn't be in this situation. We tolerate all that we do because we fear another oil embargo. Islam is not, nor has it ever been a "religion of peace". It is a value system devised for a warlike, nomadic tribal society added with some elements of Judaism and Nestorian Christianity, which was plagarized from non-pagan communities that lived in the areas around Medina in the early 7th Century AD. In Islam there are two opposing factions, The House of Islam and the House of War (that's us). The problem is the average American isn't aware of this because most Americans have never studied the origins of Islam, the Koran, or the Hadith. Last Edited By: eagle7 11/09/09 02:34 PM. Edited 1 times.
BobM14		#33	[-]
Posts: 727 (11/09/09 01:43 PM) More My Recent Posts	Hang the PC bit. Our relatively recent preoccupation with being unoffending, unassuming, non-profiling and otherwise "politically correct" is slowly taking us down on several levels. Most of us know these areas. The way I understand the Islamic viewpoint (correct me if I am wrong), they are instructed to convert the Infidel to Islam, if this is not possible, they are to kill them. It seems that one is either with them or against them. The degree of how literal this instruction is taken seems to be the difference between "radical Islam" and what one might consider "peaceable Islam". Condemnation of these terrorist, cowardly murderous acts by any Islamic group does nothing to change my opinion of the terrorist aspect, nor does it offer any consolation. And the sincerity of the condemnation is unquantifiable, at best. Armed Infidel Last Edited By: BobM14 11/09/09 01:45 PM. Edited 1 times.
eagle7		#34	[-]
Posts: 4143 (11/09/09 02:14 PM) More My Recent Posts	In Islam, the faith is to be spread by the sword if necessary, meaning conquest and forced conversions. According to scriptural Islam, conquered populations that are Jewish or Christian (known as "people of the book") have a choice; conversion to Islam or a second-rate citizenship with very limited civil rights. Pagans have only one option; conversion or death. Some very conservative Islamic nations like Saudi Arabia tolerate "people of the book" only as temporary guest workers. All non-Muslims are barred from the holy cities of Mecca and Medina.....woe to the non-believer who gets caught visiting. IIRC, Saudi security forces maintain checkpoints on the roads leading to those cities to prevent that from happening.
RLMbassist		#35	[-]
Posts: 222 (11/09/09 02:54 PM) More My Recent Posts	I see in the news today that this guy was a frequent patron at the local strip joints. Shame shame.... A Major being harrassed.......gimme a break!
BobM14		#36	[-]
Posts: 728 (11/09/09 02:55 PM) More My Recent Posts	Thank you for your insight, eagle7. Armed Infidel
beanstrung		#37	[-]
Posts: 5719 (11/09/09 07:04 PM) Forum Site Moderator More My Recent Posts	What I've been hearing on the drive-by news today, is that poor old Major Hasan was suffering from SECOND-HAND post-traumatic-stress-disorder. He had never been in combat or battle, but apparently, from counseling and talking to those soldiers who had, it caused him to get PTSD via SECOND-HAND exposure! Where have we heard this line before? So, according to the "real news media" (not that other network that we've been told is not really "news"), it seems that the good Major is merely an innocent victim of the capitalist-imperialist military industrial complex... I need to puke... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand? Joel 3:9-10
eagle7		#38	[-]
Posts: 4144 (11/09/09 07:12 PM) More My Recent Posts	According to the media, Hassan has the first documented case of pre-post-traumatic stress syndrome edit. Interesting new development.....Hassan was trying to communicate with Al Qaida websites, according to investigators who leaked info found on Hassan's PC. Yeah right, this guy isn't a terrorist. As soon as he came out of his coma today and realized he wasn't in muslim paradise (hey, where's the 72 virgins???) he demanded a lawyer. Last Edited By: eagle7 11/09/09 07:19 PM. Edited 1 times.

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