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Posts: 47 (11/09/09 08:30 PM) |
I just traded some of my crafts for a 1943 Tula 91/30. It has CH on top of the Tula Star, remnants of serial Nr on the left side of the barrel shank and a
polished high wall receiver. But, there are no traces of the receiver ever having been drilled for a scope - on the outside or the inside. Does anybody have
any idea of what I am looking at?
Thanks, Axel
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Posts: 5540 (11/09/09 09:10 PM) Host |
Maybe not. Some Tulas were set aside for use as snipers and were marked with the "C" and the "H", however they weren't completed -
never having had a scope mounted on them or the sniper bolt and sear fitted. Only Izhevsks had the scope serial number on the left side of the barrel shank
above the woodline. Tula did not do this - so I don't know what you are looking at without a picture or three. Regards.
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Posts: 48 (11/09/09 09:39 PM) |
Thanks NotPC,
Here are a few pics - hope they help. One thing I love about the Mosins - they are never boring 
Thanks, Axel
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Posts: 5541 (11/09/09 09:57 PM) Host |
Axel, thanks for the pics. It does not look like a typical scope number to me, but I'm at a loss to tell you what it is for certain. If you cannot find
anything like it on www.7.62x54r.net, write: Ted@7.62x54r.net and ask him if he has seen anything like it or knows what it is. He has seen many more Mosins
than I and all of them are not up on his site - yet. Regards.
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Posts: 3800 (11/10/09 01:29 AM) |
On the ones I have seen the old scope numbers would be right where the CAI markings are so they would be gone and not visible anymore, things like this are why
I don't go gaga over refurbs. Look inside the wall and chamber more toward the front and see if maybe it wasn't used to mount a PU but an earlier
scope. All the statements above are more than agreed with by me otherwise. Bill
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11/10/09 01:32 AM.
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Posts: 29 (11/10/09 11:23 AM) |
Tula's traditionally don't have scope numbers, that being said a few do have them. I think those are post war refurb rifles that got a change of scope much later. They WOULD be right where those ground down numbers are in your pictures on the barrel. Not on the receiver. I know you said that there are no signs of being drilled and tapped then filled, but can you show a pic of the inside of the receiver? I wouldn't be surprised that it wasn't drilled for a sniper. There are many examples of CH marked rifles that were never fitted with a scope. That would mean that we'd have to come up with some other explanation for the ground down numbers on the side of the barrel. Cool rifle! I should also Add: some wartime Tula snipers are not C H marked. For example: I have a 1944 Tula Ex PU sniper that was drilled and tapped but w/o the C H.
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11/10/09 03:07 PM.
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Posts: 50 (11/10/09 03:57 PM) |
Two pictures of the receiver! Thanks, Axel
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Posts: 375 (11/10/09 05:44 PM) active member |
Nice Photos! I have a 1942 Tula that has the plugged holes but no "C H" markings. I don't think they were always consistant with stuff because
they were in a hurry.
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Posts: 3804 (11/10/09 08:19 PM) |
I have a Ixhevsk 1946 sniper which is numbered right where I mentioned on the receiver and not on the barrel. The 1943 Tula sniper I just sold has numbers
ground down under the later CAI serial stamped to match the barrel on the receiver area I mentioned. The other Tula sniper I have is off getting some chamber
casts made of it so I can't remember where it is marked. The 1946 was obviously finished or refurbed after the war and it is also marked on the receiver as
I said. Over the years I have seen ground down numbers in both areas mentioned with no apparent sniper connections noted on the rifles so any consistency in
this would be hard to reckon with for sure. Hlavinka I agree 100% with your comment about having to come up with another explanation for the ground numbers and
have often pondered on that with no luck! Bill
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Posts: 30 (11/10/09 09:20 PM) |
zeebill wrote:1. I'd like to see that one. Other than the CAI marks, it sounds a little Finnish to me. 2. Maybe there's something else I just found that I need to collect! If you feel the need to sell anymore Tula snipers, Ex's or Otherwise, let me know first!
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Posts: 744 (11/11/09 01:46 AM) Veteran member |
Hi, have you checked under the receiver rear tang for a date and arsenal stamp? IIRC there are some Mosins out there with rebarreled receivers.
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Posts: 31 (11/11/09 08:51 AM) |
CR Hound wrote: +1, I have three 1943 Tula Ex-PU sniper built on Izhevsk receivers. One of the receivers is a 1941 and the other two are from 1942.Tula took Izhevsk receivers and completed the machining to bring them up to "Tula spec.". |
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Posts: 52 (11/11/09 12:21 PM) |
Makes sense - especially since the Tula arsenal was almost abandoned in 1942. I'll strip it down in a few let y'all know.
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Posts: 54 (11/11/09 05:03 PM) |
The trigger and spring are Izhevsk marked (Triangle/Arrow) - That's all there is.
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Posts: 32 (11/12/09 11:05 AM) |
Thanks fo rthe pic! That's stamped nicer than some of them.
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Posts: 57 (11/12/09 12:41 PM) |
I agree - but does it tell me anything about the receiver?
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Posts: 33 (11/12/09 02:09 PM) |
It means that it (the receiver) was born a Tula because I don't see any other remains from a previous arsenal stamp from Izhevsk. It's either a '42
or '43 Tula receiver. I'm leaning toward '43 because a lot of '42 Tula receivers still had the earlier stepped tang.
Again, a really cool piece. |
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Posts: 274 (11/21/09 03:41 PM) |
It looks like on of the non-sniper "Accuracy Rifles" that were tested, passed sniper accuracy requirements, and were marked with the cn (for 1941 and
earlier rifles) or CH for 1942 and later rifles. The markings on the barrel shank where the original scope serial number would go on late 1942 and later
Izhevsk rifles (and are found on a very few Tula rifles, mostly applied during post-war refurb) do not look like the usual scope serial numbers, as mentioned
above. The small star stamped on the barrel shank is also interesting.
The markings on the left side of the barrel shank could be some agency or organization marking, rack or inventory numbers, or something like this. The left rear of the receiver isn't by any chance drilled and tapped for a diopter sight, is it? |
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Posts: 61 (11/21/09 05:28 PM) |
Just looked - unfortunately not
. Now I want to find out what the star stands for.
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Posts: 105 (03/21/10 11:10 PM) active member |
Any update on it ?
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Posts: 293 (03/22/10 05:16 PM) |
There is currently discussion of one of these sniper proofed "Accuracy Rifles", a '39 Tula, posted over at Gunboards and 7.62X54r.net
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