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catklan4	figured out how to post pics. no4 mk1*	Lead	[-]
Posts: 13 (11/30/09 09:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None
shotout		#1	[-]
Posts: 305 (11/30/09 09:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Is that the correct rear sight for the #4mk1*?shotout
lucky dog		#2	[-]
Posts: 172 (11/30/09 10:53 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Nice rifle! Now you need a web sling, bayonet, and all the other goodies.
catklan4		#3	[-]
Posts: 14 (11/30/09 10:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I am uncertain, because it says mk2 on it. some of the guys on the forum have been tring to explain it to me, i have been trying to post pics. for awhile so they could see it, I finaly suceeded tonight. I 'm sure ill be getting some answers on that now, they can see it. there is a seperate post on the forum in which we were having the sight discussion.
cujo		#4	[-]
Posts: 292 (11/30/09 11:15 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Is it U.S Property marked? It appears to be a savage if it is, made in 1942. And I dont think the sight is correct because that is a war time rifle. It should have the dual peep rear sight for 300 and 600 yards not the fully adjustable Mk 2. And a FYI the star after model as in No 4 Mk 1* means it has the war time simplified bolt release as you may know. Mike
BurgieC	Adjustable rear sight.	#5	[-]
Posts: 114 (12/01/09 11:39 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hello my Savage No.4Mk1* has the flip rear sight 300/600 and I will trade you for your rear sight anyday. Heck I will even pay shipping both ways, just to show you what a great guy I am. burgie
catklan4		#6	[-]
Posts: 15 (12/01/09 12:33 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	lucky dog wrote: Nice rifle! Now you need a web sling, bayonet, and all the other goodies. what I really need is a big wenough place to go and shoot it.
Ed Novak		#7	[-]
Posts: 2221 (12/01/09 04:05 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Serial number appears to be L366xxx, Long Branch No.4, Mk.1*. Backsight is a Mk.3 with a Mk.2 Slide (the Mk.4 backsight had a Mk.3 slide and the reason for this seemingly odd numbering sequence is that the Mk.1 backsight has a Mk.1 slide, the Mk.2 backsight has no slide but is a two-aperture sight and, per the logic, the Mk.3 backsight had to have a Mk.2 slide, the Mk.4 had to have a Mk.3 slide). Warning again, the battle-sight aperture "leaf" on the Mk.3 and Mk.4 backsights are easily bent/broken when the leaf is "buttstroked in the gunsafe by another rifle and these backsights are increasingly scarce and expensive. I recommend replacing the Mk.3 or Mk.4 with a relatively cheap, easily obtainable and durable milled Mk.1 backsight and saving the Mk.3/4 for replacement on the rifle if/when it is sold. Another of those "they ain't making them anymore" things. NRA Endowment member LECS #2 Last Edited By: Ed Novak 12/01/09 04:07 PM. Edited 1 times.
catklan4		#8	[-]
Posts: 16 (12/01/09 04:54 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	actually it is 13c6842. I was reading on one of the websites, and from what i could understand is the c means its a savage, and it would be the136842 one built. what do you think of the overall condition of the gun based on the pics.? I was thinking of one of those no gunsmithing scope mounts, I just was concerned with the mount leaving evidence that it was installed when I remove it. ( marring or scratching where it bolts on) Last Edited By: catklan4 12/01/09 04:58 PM. Edited 1 times.
cujo		#9	[-]
Posts: 295 (12/01/09 08:38 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	C means Chicopee Mass. You in fact have a Savage. Mike
shotout		#10	[-]
Posts: 306 (12/02/09 12:16 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Both my #4mk1and #4mkll has the flip up sight with the screw on it. What # is it, a mk2skeyed
cujo		#11	[-]
Posts: 296 (12/02/09 12:43 AM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Shotout you mean a sight like catklan4 has on his? In that case it is a Mk2 site. The dual peep site was a war time production site ( battle site ). Mike
bradtx		#12	[-]
Posts: 1600 (12/02/09 08:13 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ah jeez, where are my pictures when I need them? No.4 rifle backsights: Mk.1 backsight - A micrometer backsight that is screw adjusted. The slide is marked "Mk.I". Mk.2 backsight - The 300-600 dual aperature 'flip' sight. Mk.3 backsight - A stamped steel micrometer backsight adjusted with a lever on the RHS. The slide is marked "Mk.II or Mk.2". Mk.4 backsight - A stamped steel micrometer backsight adjusted with a revised lever shape on the RHS. The slide is marked "Mk.III or C Mk.3". For fun, a No.5 carbine: Mk.I backsight - Same as No.4's Mk.I, except graduated to only 800 yds. Mk.2 backsight - Same as No.4's Mk.4, except graduated to only 800 yds. Brad
cujo		#13	[-]
Posts: 298 (12/02/09 11:07 AM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks for the info Brad that is very helpfull sorry for any confusion I caused guys. Mike
Ed Novak		#14	[-]
Posts: 2226 (12/02/09 08:25 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ah, crap! Even with no-line bifocals I can't read numbers... Yes, I now see the C for Savage production. Or, are you playing with my vision/mind? C (as in Chicopee Falls, MA). Cujo: The Mk.2 was indeed a war-time expedient backsight but it was a two aperture... ah, what bradtx and I said. For those of you willing to spend $10, Ian Skennerton has a magnificent little 48 page full-sized pamphlet entitled "Small Arms Identification Series". ".303 RIFLE, No. 4". "Marks 1, & 1*, Marks 1/2, 1/3 & 2." IDSA Books, P.O. Box 1457, Piqua, Ohio 45356. Includes, in its few pages "Parts Identification & Lists, No.4 Series Notes, Exploded Parts Drawings, Descriptions, Accessories & Fittings." This nifty tome even teaches one how to speak Lee Enfield. NRA Endowment member LECS #2
Rustybore		#15	[-]
Posts: 924 (12/03/09 07:38 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Although some rifles were made with the flip sight, it is my understanding that many were replaced in FTR. If that is the case, I would think any of the back sights would be correct for the rifle. I have replaced a couple sights with the Mk.I because I happen to like that particular sight for shooting. I also saved the flip sights to restore the rifles to the way I received them in the advent I want to sell one. Kevin in Or.
Ed Novak		#16	[-]
Posts: 2228 (12/03/09 07:50 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Kevin: You are correct. Any No.4 which saw WWII era service might be equipped with any of the No.4 backsights and from years of reading through postings on various LE sites, the consensus of opinion seems (to me) to be that the Mk.1 backsight was most likely the backsight the No.4 came out the door of FTR with. The post-war Long Branch rifles are something of an exception to the "any sight" idea since they were typically fitted with either the Canadian Mk.3 or Mk.4 backsight so a '49 LB, for instance, might be looked at as not typical for service issue if it has any other backsight but any will fit. For durability, I would fit a Mk.1 to my '49 LB for use but reinstall the C Mk.3 for display or sale. NRA Endowment member LECS #2
Ed Novak		#17	[-]
Posts: 2229 (12/03/09 07:55 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	bradtx wrote: Ah jeez, where are my pictures when I need them? No.4 rifle backsights: Mk.1 backsight - A micrometer backsight that is screw adjusted. The slide is marked "Mk.I". Mk.2 backsight - The 300-600 dual aperature 'flip' sight. Mk.3 backsight - A stamped steel micrometer backsight adjusted with a lever on the RHS. The slide is marked "Mk.II or Mk.2". Mk.4 backsight - A stamped steel micrometer backsight adjusted with a revised lever shape on the RHS. The slide is marked "Mk.III or C Mk.3". For fun, a No.5 carbine: Mk.I backsight - Same as No.4's Mk.I, except graduated to only 800 yds. Mk.2 backsight - Same as No.4's Mk.4, except graduated to only 800 yds. Brad Brad: In all my years of LE experience, I've never even heard, let alone seen a Mk.2 backsight for the No.5 - where in the world would one find one? Not that I need one; don't own a No.5 LE anymore. Still learning, after all these years.... ed NRA Endowment member LECS #2
bradtx		#18	[-]
Posts: 1601 (12/03/09 11:43 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Ed, I may've seen two, or the same one twice, but only in pictures. Brad
catklan4		#19	[-]
Posts: 17 (12/04/09 10:04 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	so the sight in my gun is a mk3? should that be what actually came on it or should it be the mk2?
bradtx		#20	[-]
Posts: 1602 (12/05/09 07:59 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	catklan4, Odds are that the rifle originally had a Mk.II backsight. The Mk.III on it now is the English design (has a bushing on the RHS) which arrived in 1944 or even later. Brad