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Dalkowski110 |
Colt Commander; No Longer Just an Idea (Got it home with pics!) |
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Hello all. Unfortunately, I won't be able to afford the FN Browning 1900 I was planning on buying after this college semester. Something I've wanted
for much, MUCH longer came up and I'm literally praying it's available when our grades are posted on December 22. But I digress. This rifle, the FN
Browning 1900, a pre-WWII Colt Detective Special, a Smith & Wesson Model 29-2, and a Colt Model 1908 Vest Pocket Automatic had all made my "final
round," if you will, but had I had a tiny bit more cash, an FN Browning 1900, and this rifle I've been wanting for about six years now, another pistol
would've leapt to the top of that list: a Colt Combat Commander or Colt Lightweight Commander in 9mm. Frankly, ever since reading about the Commander's
history (that it was basically a NATO trials 1911 for field grade officers), I've always wanted one in the original 9mm Para, preferably with a blued
finish although I suppose I'd take satin if the price were right. I realize they're less common than the .45 ACP models, but I see a blued one pop up
every now and then on gunbroker. My question to you guys, owners and former owners of the Commander, is this: are they worth it? How do you like your Colt
Commander? Doesn't have to be 9mm...I would expect quality for .45's and .38 Supers to be pretty much the same as 9mm's. Since I already have (or
will have...it's on layaway) a Kahr Auto Ordnance 1911 that was "selectively gunsmithed" (some of the AO parts were replaced with USGI parts) in
.45 ACP, I figure that what amounts to a compact (sorta) 9mm 1911 would be a very nice complement for it and, knowing the 1911, a good shooter. You guys think
I should go for one next semester, or maybe get one or two of the other guns instead?
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I owned several Colt .45 Combat Commanders, and actually preferred them to the full-size Government Model.
When last I carried a 1911 concealed it was a stainless Officer's Model, but I still think the Commander size was the "perfect" 1911. If I still carried a 1911 concealed, it'd probably be a Combat Commander in stainless and .45. 9mm is sort of a "why, when I could have a .45" for me. As for brand, I'd rather have a Colt Commander than anything else, but this is a matter of personal preference. There's also the issues with magazines in 9mm that you don't have in .45. I've seen some "unfortunate" quality problems with the other brands, and did see some problems with older Colt Commanders. The current new Colt's are some of the best Colt has made in many years. In the end, as usual, it comes down to what you really want, and what you want it for. |
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I have had my Satin Finish Combat Commander in 45 ACP since 1978, only problem was the satin finish sights too hard to see. I had a gunsmith install MMC
sights, solved that problem, though I have yet to find another satin finish slide. I will not get into the "Caliber Wars", I have 45s, I have 9MMs, I
like them both-I have found the 9MM fairly easy to reload. I prefer steel frame guns, when I was in the Jersey Guard one NCO had a Colt Commander, one day we
let some of the troops try our pistols, they all said they preferred mine.
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"In the end, as usual, it comes down to what you really want, and what you want it for. "
I would say probably punching paper and doing so really accurately. Hence, mags being available wouldn't really be an issue, so long as I had a single, functioning factory mag. Whilst I do have my heart set on a 9mm, I will take the advice about the Combat Commander over the Lightweight Commander and pre-Series 70 Commander. I've held both guns and agree that the Combat Commander feels a bit more "substantial" than the Lightweight Commander.
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Back around 1956 I bought a Colt Commander in 45. It had an alloy frame, the only kind available in thsoe days. Being in the Army I was able to get quite a lot
of 45 ball ammo, and I shot it extensively. The gun shot loose after about 1500 rounds. It was still reliable, but pretty rattly, and I could tell a lot of the
acuracy had left. Don't know how much stress the 9mm would put on an alloy frame, but I think it would last longer than my 45.
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"and I could tell a lot of the acuracy had left. Don't know how much stress the 9mm would put on an alloy frame, but I think it would last longer than
my 45."
According to what I can find, the alloy frame of the pre-Series 70 and Lightweight Commander was actually designed specifically for the 9mm round. Still, I'd rather go the safe route and get a Combat Commander. |
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Well, as it turned out, the rifle I wanted (a rather specific "Made Specially For ZAR" Westley Richards Martini-Henry) was something I lost out on.
Fortunately, two things happened: my grades were a bit higher than I expected them to be (meaning a higher budget) and, on the gun side of things, I did find a
nice, matching, RAF-marked Enfield No. 2 Mk. I revolver with an intact hammer (the first and only gun where I sincerely believe I overpaid for it, but like it
enough to justify it) as well as the pistol in the title...a pre-Series 70 Colt Commander...with some finish wear (looks like holster wear, to be honest).
I.e., enough to be affordable but still shootable.
I've spoken with two local guys (one works in the gun shop, the other is a family friend) who have owned 9mm Commanders (Combat and Lightweight) over the years. I asked them whether they'd hold out for a Combat Commander or get the pre-Series 70 gun with an alloy frame. They both recommended the pre-Series 70 gun ("especially since it's a 1950, first year civilian production, and you like history" commented one) and assured me it wouldn't shoot loose...that was apparently a recurring problem with the pre-Series 70 .45's (which they told me to steer clear of...in no uncertain terms they said if I wanted a .45, it should be a Combat Commander, Series 70 or Series 80), but, as mentioned, because it was designed to take the punishment of a 9mm round's recoil, it should not give me any problems. They did, interestingly, describe OTHER problems, albeit less serious than being shot loose. The first of these problems is the magazine. I'm not particularly sure why, but some of the early guns had feeding problems directly relating to the magazine (one guy said he heard the mags tended to be out of spec on occassion, but doesn't know if that's "gunshow gossip" or the truth). Fortunately, that can be rectified by getting a Series 70 or Series 80 magazine. Since I'm only going to be punching paper as mentioned, one functional mag is pretty much all I'm going to need. Both guys said that some of the older mags do work well, but they tend to be a little inconsistent. A second problem was that apparently, the chamber throat design changed over time. The earlier throats had no problems feeding FMJ ammunition of any kind, but may experience problems with HP ammo. Apparently, it depends on the gun and while one guy said to stick with FMJ, the other said trying HP's was at least worth a shot. A third, somewhat stranger problem cropped up when I said that I traced the gun I'm purchasing to 1950 production (first year civilian production...guns numbered 1-65 were produced in 1949 for the NATO trials). "That means it has plastic grips with really uncomfortable checkering," said one of the two guys. He recommended I wear a glove while shooting the gun or just change the grips out. He further noted that the grips may have deformed over time (although he stressed that this occured in a minority of cases); something he guessed was a result of whatever early plastic the grips were made of and it just not aging well. Finally, they both reassured me about the "substantial" nature of the Combat Commander vs. the pre-Series 70 alloy frame Commander. "You're not taking it into a war zone or even carrying it, so you should be set to go with the lighter frame," said one guy. He noted that although the Combat Commander had less felt recoil, the alloy frame gun didn't kick inordinately hard, at least not in 9mm. And he added: "You're a college boy with a few weekends worth of time to shoot it and a truckload of other guns to shoot. It's not going to shoot loose." Both DID recommend, however, that if I wanted to carry a Colt Commander as opposed to just shoot targets, they would overwhelmingly recommend the Combat Commander in either .45 ACP or 9mm. Since I plan on an IWI Jericho .45 as my eventual carry piece, I don't really view this as a problem. But, speaking with these two gents, I will sincerely have to look at a Colt Combat Commander in .45 ACP for the upcoming semester. I do like how it feels after having held one. |
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Over the years I extensively carried the Government Model, the Combat Commander, and the Officer's ACP.
The Officer's was the best carrying due to the size, and the GM was the least comfortable and concealable. But, overall, I think the Combat Commander is the "perfect" one. The GM is pretty long. The Officer's has a grip just a bit too short, and I always semi-suspected it due to the very short slide travel and the at least potential of a failure of the recoil spring plug. I never broke a plug, and I never had a jam in the Officer's, but there was that doubt. As for aluminum, I just don't like it and always preferred steel. The weight didn't bother me, that's something you get used to and don't notice after a while. So, if I was still using a 1911 as a CCW, it'd be a new stainless Colt steel frame Commander in .45. It would be virtually out of the box-stock with no alterations but Pachmayr rubber grips and a checkered stainless mainspring housing. 9mm's are nice, but if I'm going to carry a 1911 its going to be a .45. If its a high as possible capacity or a micro-mini gun the 9mm is good. |
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Thanks for the tips! I wound up buying the Colt Commander 9mm from 1950, which we'll see more of once it arrives here (bought off gunbroker, but the seller
was very good about photos and even test-firing the gun, which he said cycled perfectly with the FMJ he had on hand). However, dfariswheel, as I said, I'm
going to ultimately wind up getting a .45 Combat Commander, though I'm not sure if I'd carry it. Basically everything you mentioned, but stock and
I've always liked the blued finish, so that's what I'd get. Photos will be up of the Colt Commander when it gets here!
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And this is what I got...
It actually looks better in real life vs. the photos; combination of lousy lighting and my own pathetic skill with a camera. I'm pretty sure you can make out the sub-1,500 serial number. Really points well, has an excellent bore, and a tight muzzle. The weight isn't the problem I thought it might be. I dry-fired it using a snap-cap and the trigger pull is terrific. I plan on shooting with standard FMJ ammo right now, though it will supposedly digest JHP's, too, according to the former owner. I also **love** the balance on this pistol; I DEFINATELY will have to get a steel frame Combat Commander in .45 ACP, as well. |
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Colin |
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VERY pretty. The sub 1500 serial number is a big plus. I can just hear that gun saying "Take me plinking".
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It will be your plinking gun once you get the .45...
"When the Dragon sits in water, even little fishes can bite his tail"
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i bought one of those [in 9mm] in 1971 , it was one of my favorite pistols for years till i foolishly sold it , cant get those things back .... you should be very happy with that
In these times 'I'll keep my God, my
freedom, my gun and my money.
Anyone that supports this insanity can keep
"THE CHANGE".
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