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November 30, 1939 |
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Posts: 7115 (11/30/09 11:59 AM) Veteran member |
The Winter War began as Russian troops invaded Finland.
Just thought I would mention that for all the Finn Mosin Nagant lovers we have on board here. Curt |
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Posts: 4160 (11/30/09 12:17 PM) |
That was a very interesting conflict. Stalin offered the Finns a deal in which they would cede him some territory in Karelia in order to give Leningrad a
larger buffer zone. Finland in return was to get a large tract of largely useless land from the USSR in the sub-artic. They refused so the Soviets manufactured
a border incident as a reason for attacking.
Both France and Great Britain planned to come to Finland's aid, but neutral Norway and Sweden refused to give the Allies free passage to Finland through their territory. The Allied ground forces that fought at Narvik were meant originally for Finland. The Brits began to put the pressure on Norway, which concerned Hitler, who had been purchasing steel from Sweden via Norway. About one month after Finland negotiated peace with the USSR, Britain and Germany fought over Norway. Further complicating the issue was the neutrality of Sweden, which secretly supported Finland with shipments of tens of thousands of M96 Mauser rifles (around 70,000 IIRC) and Swedish AF pilots flying Gloster Gladiators with Finn national insignia. |
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Posts: 711 (11/30/09 05:11 PM) Veteran member |
Thanks to Stalin's purges of the Red Army the Soviets' conduct of this conflict was characterized by unbelieveable bungling and incompetence, and
horrible casualties. One Red Army general, surveying the changes in the map after the end of hostilities remarks "We have won enough ground to bury our
dead."
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Posts: 2198 (12/11/09 08:25 PM) |
I work for a school district. and yesterday (coincidence) was looking at a new European history text...not one word about Finland, the Winter War, or the
Continuation War....(sigh)
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Posts: 1487 (12/13/09 10:21 AM) Veteran member |
The new "PC" is now sweeping the whole world. Pretty soon it will be verbotten to even mention WWII at all.
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Posts: 4173 (12/14/09 07:58 PM) |
Last year my older son was in the seventh grade and he studied World History. It blew my mind when I checked out his History textbook. The Industrial
Revolution was covered in five pages. World War I was covered in four pages. World War II was covered in five pages. In each one of these chapters over half of
the page area was occupied by photos/illustrations. On the other hand, there was a chapter about some obscure African kingdoms in Nigeria, Mali, and Mauretania
during the Middle Ages that numbered nine pages. Likewise, the Mogul Empire of India in the late Middle Ages was covered in seven or eight pages. During an
open house I confronted my son's History teacher about this odd discrepancy in coverage of important eras in Western Civilization versus the amount of
emphasis dedicated to various arcane Third World dynasties. The teacher went into a long spiel about how he agreed with me, but his excuse was he didn't
pick the textbook. He blamed the principal, who happens to be a very PC lady.
I find that many of the young people I meet are very ignorant of literature, history, and civics. PC publik skool ed-you-ma-shun (or the lack thereof) is responsible for this dumbing-down of our young people. I am seriously considering homeschooling my younger son before he reaches the abyss known as "middle school". |
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Posts: 719 (12/14/09 10:03 PM) Veteran member |
From what I have seen textbooks are often chosen at the state level to take advantage of bulk buying (and to cut down the number of palms that must be
greased) and local districts and teachers have NO say in the selection. Having taken some courses in Non Western history I can state that learning about
someone else's history in which all the familiar points of reference are not present can be fun-like studying a foreign language unlike any you have
studied and unrelated to any you speak-but it helps when you have a solid grounding in your own language and history. And such studies are best left to courses
so labeled, taught by people with solid academic backgrounds.
As a living historian I can testify to the ignorance of our history that is all to common these days. Remember of course that between high divorce rates, high illegtimacy rates, many kids are growing up in unstable, unsupportive environments, getting little if any history at home and what they do get is from the Tube or the Internet, not always the best sources. And too many parents are using the schools as a day care center and are interested in neither the Who nor the What of the children's education.
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12/15/09 09:16 PM.
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Posts: 4174 (12/15/09 11:36 AM) |
True, whenever I visit my son's middle school I get the impression that it is little more than a warehouse where young teenagers are stored during the
working day.
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Posts: 7133 (12/15/09 01:19 PM) Veteran member |
That is absolutely correct. Up here in Northern Idaho, all our school books and such are selected by the people in Southern Idaho (Cheapdad's new turf).
Only problem is that there are so many differences between North and South in this state. The liberals are down south and the redneck conservatives are up in
the north. So you can see what sort of situation that puts our public schools in up here.
I have mentioned the Winter War to a lot of people over the years and most of them simply say "Oh". They have no clue as to what I am talking about. There is one exception, however. A guy named William Kallio who used to commercial fish with my folks when I was younger. He just passed away a couple years ago, but he was pure Finnish from the get go, and I think he was even born and raised in Finland. He knew EXACTLY what I was referring to when I would mention the Winter War and the Continuation War in front of him. Curt |
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