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nothernug |
Auschwitz "ARBEIT MACH.." sign STOLEN!? |
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Crazy! Apparently Auschwitz infamously notorious "ARBEIT MACH FREI" gate sign has been stolen!!!
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hauptspritzer |
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First, what kind of people do such things? Second, what would one do with a sign that was custom made for such a place? There is only one other such sign and
it is in the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. It isn't like anyone will unknowingly buy it and you certainly wouldn't wanna hang it in your garage
like a road sign that was stolen on a drunken whim. It is so incomprehensible I couldn't even devise a fitting punishment for the guilty party when caught.
Not only will the Polish police be looking for them, but every police agency in the civilzed world will be hunting them including InterPol.
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. "- Thomas Jefferson
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BobM14 |
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Probably stolen by Jewish youth and cut up with a torch.....if so, could you blame them? Just thinking...
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Jewish youth from where? To this day, there are only about 1,200 Jews in Poland. The Nazis got rid of the other million.
Who knows what kind of nut or idealog did this? A group whose political goals are furthered by Holocaust denial? My dad was one of Patton's infantry men who liberated Dachau. My concern is that the liberation our fathers and grandfathers fought and died for will be water under the bridge in 50 years as Islam spreading in Europe stamps out teaching of historical truth, the Japanese HAVE ALWAYS shifted blame, and even schools in the US fail to teach the truth due to Japanese pressure groups. Crunch |
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I saw this on the news yesterday and could not believe it. Can't the Polish police protect anything? I can't think of a single other landmark in
Poland other than it. Be it a tragic site or not it is a huge part of that country's history.
The last I heard was that the police had no leads and the Jewish groups were greatly condeming the theft; if I was one of them I would be furious. |
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BobM14 |
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You guys are probably right. It is a desecration. I thought I was putting a slightly positive spin on the story. But I guess it didn't make much sense.
They'll likely catch up to them somehow. Hard to hide something
like that for long.
Armed Infidel
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Ed Novak |
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Who has something to gain from the desecration or would profit from this bit of history? Not the Jewish peoples unless by some very twisted bit of imagination
- a double-back sort of thing. No one can publicly display or place for sale this icon. I can imagine someone with enough money and the ability to keep the
sale very private purchasing it and taking some sort of pride in secretly holding it in his/her personal collection of artifacts. A bit of iron with so much
historical significance but the theft will not diminish the site's importance to free people who remember and understand what Auschwitz was and is.
NRA Endowment member
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BobM14 |
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"Who has something to gain from the desecration or would profit from this bit of history? Not the Jewish peoples unless by some very twisted bit of
imagination - a double-back sort of thing."
I was not inferring that any Jewish person would "profit" from taking it, other than never having to gaze upon it again. . Merely observing that they may want to destroy it, since it represents something they detest and a painful time in history.
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hauptspritzer |
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I believe that the Jewish community as a whole would want to preserve as much of this as they can. Their philosophy is to never let the world forget what
happened. The Jewish people and Israel are the largest perpetuators of remembering the holocaust. They were the biggest supporters of the museum in D.C.
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. "- Thomas Jefferson
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Ed Novak |
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BobM14 wrote:I understood your posting and was only adding some thoughts of my own about the theft. Best regards, ed
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BobM14 |
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Thanks Ed. I kinda 'stepped in it' right off the bat somehow, so I guess I'm back-peddlin a bit.
Armed Infidel
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cheapdad |
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It does not make any sense at all...History teaches us through both good, and bad examples. I personally find Man's history of inhumanity toward fellow
Men to be the verydefinition of evil, sin...or whatever you want to call it. The concentration camp of the nazi history has always strongly impacted me...my
family history is Bravarian German/Swiss--I guess it hits home in a very uncomfortable way. Certainly, not to diminish African, Russian, South East
Asian...and even U.S.A. history (I grew up with the kids of several "displaced" WWII Japanese families in Bellevue, Washington...Bellevue used to be
an farm/orchard community well populated with Japanese descent families"). The Nazi/Jewish experience is well documented, published, and promoted. The
removal of the sign changes nothing--but it removes a strong reminder. The story around "Work Makes Free" needs to be taught in evey
school.........
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"To this day, there are only about 1,200 Jews in Poland."
It seems to fluctuate between 1,200 and 1,300, but it's remained pretty steady around there since the end of WWII. I would say the most likely culprit would be a skinhead or a Tawana Brawley-type lunatic, although I find the latter rather unlikely. I would point out, however, that there is a third possibility: there are also roughly 5,500 Muslims in Poland. Although I will say that's somewhat misleading; a lot of them are Tatars, who have at least traditionally been one of the handful of Muslim groups not only not hostile but openly sympathetic to Jewish persecution (the Polish Tatars suffered pretty badly at the hands of the government in Russian-controlled Poland, especially; a few even fell victim to the same Pogroms and identified with the Polish Jews). But a recent wave of immigration from Pakistan and the Balkan states would appear to have changed that. Although the latter...the Bosniaks and the Albanians...have at least been a whole lot less anti-Semitic than one thinks of Muslims as traditionally being, the Pakistanis, at least on the whole, can make no such claim (When Pew GAP conducted a poll in Pakistan that asked "what is your view of the Jews?", 74% said either "somewhat unfavorable" or "very unfavorable." The pathetic part was that of the Muslim countries polled, that was actually second best, with Turkey's 40% favorability rating of Jews leading the way...Indonesia, Morocco, Lebanon, and Jordan also participated.). Nor can the small but significant Arab community. A fourth possibility is a crazed militaria collector. The guy who has it all, started down the road toward not caring how he gets stuff, went into open theft, and now has to make a big leap. Before this gets dismissed as silly, my Dad prosecuted a guy who was into railroadiana so much that he stole New York City subway blueprints, pieces of railroad cars, and even an entire handcar (I think, although I'd have to check with Dad if he obtained the handcar via honest means). And don't forget some art thieves that keep their most precious/impossible to sell pieces for their own collections. There ARE crazy collectors out there (not on this site, fortunately...we're just eccentric, not insane
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"To this day, there are only about 1,200 Jews in Poland. The Nazis got rid of the other million."
"It seems to fluctuate between 1,200 and 1,300" Come on boys. According to the Polish-Jewish Heritage Foundation there are more than 20,000 Jews in Poland now. "The contemporary Polish Jewish community is estimated to have approximately 20,000 members, though the actual number of Jews, including those who are not actively connected to Judaism or Jewish culture, may be several times larger." And at the start of WW2 there were more like 3 to 3.5 Million.
Armed Infidel
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Colin |
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I wonder when, if and where it will eventually turn up. A mad collector is not out of the realm of possibility: remember that the priceless paintings from the
Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum in Boston have never been found, and that robbery occurred at least 25 years ago, I don't remember precisely. However some
sort of anti-jewish zealot is probably responsible, someone who wishes he had been in the SS.
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Dalkowski110 |
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"According to the Polish-Jewish Heritage Foundation there are more than 20,000 Jews in Poland now."
You are correct. I made a mistake reading the censuses. It would seem that someone translated "congregations" into "members," and then set it next to "denomination." I checked...someone cut and pasted the same thing onto Wikipedia, too. For those wondering, I've rechecked the Muslim population as well, which is estimated around 31,000. To be honest, after thinking on it, I think it was either a skinhead or a crazed collector.
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hauptspritzer |
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I have been rolling possibilities around in my head and I'm leaning toward muslims. Either it was a drunken prank, a holocaust denyer or muslims.
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. "- Thomas Jefferson
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Stan Pa |
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Careful guys, this is getting very close to religious bashing.
Please lets remember the scope of this web site. Thanks.
Stan.
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Ed Novak |
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BobM14 wrote:BobM14: No reason to feel like you "stepped in it"; events such as this theft stir some very deep feelings in many of us who care enough to voice an opinion. Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, Poles and so many others have a vested interest in this event and seeing the right thing being done. Merry Christmas.
NRA Endowment member
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hauptspritzer |
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I'm not intending to bash anyone. I meant that considering the history of the Middle East and the fact that those of the Muslim and Jewish faiths never got
along very well. Perhaps there could be extremists out there that would go to great lengths to get their point across.
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. "- Thomas Jefferson
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RLMbassist |
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Here is a thought! Do we know for sure this artifact is steel? If it's not, maybe the local Euro-thugs have sank as low as the scum here in STL that
climb ladders at midnight and rip off copper and brass guttering & monuments from local churches & historical sites to sell off as high $ scrap. Maybe
their economy is rough also........
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