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 HalfCocked |
Large and Small Rifle Primers .... Where Have They All Gone? |
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Posts: 16 (01/06/10 11:44 PM) |
Is something happening that I don't know about? I have searched everywhere that I know of to find small and large rifle primers, and no one has them in
stock. Most places are "Out of Stock, No Reorder" In other words ... they won't be getting anymore.
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Posts: 1153 (01/07/10 01:04 AM) |
A bunch of B.S. is my thinking. It is my understanding that the manufacturers of primers are "cranking them out" at the same rate of production that
they always have. The government isn't using any more ammo than they have during the last eight years. Trust me, I know this.
So, the present "political climate" has freaked out many people (for no good reason IMHO) to the point where they are buying and storing primers for the "future." Hence when a store gets primers in, these folks buy them up and store them away, so the store must wait until the manufacturers can supply more. Supply is fixed, demand is ridiculous. As for a store to say "we're not buying anymore," that is a decision of the stores managers or owners. I would ask to speak to them and ask if that is the case, and if correct, ask "Why?" If they say they will be ordering more, put in an order for several box's and place a deposit, or pay in total in advance. Then they are obligated to insure you get your order. That's what I'd do. eb
"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776 
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Posts: 418 (01/07/10 02:18 AM) active member |
Halfcocked it is not only you who is having trouble finding them. I just started reloading and everyone in my area that hears where components are they are
literally fighting over them. Not only that, but stores can't keep up with the demand. Luckily I have a friend who use to reload and he gave me about 200
large rifle primers ( enough for me to start any how ). So when I run out I know that it will be hard to find them for a reasonable price. Some gun shops
around where I live sell them more expensively while some sell them reasonably. So I would say like eb says it is all politial crap that people are stock
pileing components thinking a rainy day may come ( may or may not happen lets hope for the later ). So maybe do as eb says and order them and pay in advance
for a store to order them for you ( I may also do that eb ). I hope all this blows over and things get better
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Posts: 12844 (01/07/10 06:33 AM) Forum Site Moderator |
The 100 primer packs are running $3.00 to $4.50 each here now, when they can be found.
Some on line suppliers have them in stock, but the Haz-Mat fee kills the deal. Get to a gunshow and buy from a reloading vendor. Expect to pay $40 per thousand.
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Posts: 419 (01/07/10 02:31 PM) active member |
That is what I would pay around here for 1000 if not more in some stores WVchuck. A lot of places like the smaller gun shops will not sell them by 100. That is
really all I need is to buy them by the 100 packs and when I ask they say we can not do it. So I guess it is time to look else where or order them online, but
as you say WVchuck those hazmat fees are a killer.
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Posts: 17 (01/08/10 01:38 AM) |
I did a little asking around locally today, and found out basically what you all have said.
It's a bunch of ignorant .. paranoid ... "the world's gonna end on 12-20-2012" types that are hording them all. I finally found some in a town 30 miles south, and had a friend pick me up some on his way home from work. The good thing is ... this store where he bought them has a limit of 1 - 1000 bundle per customer / week, and they write down your name and license number on a list when you buy them. Hey ... I know it's kind of silly to have to show your license and have it recorded when you buy them, but if that's what it takes .. I'm all for it. Hording is for the weak minded, and for people of poor mental health in my opinion. It's ridiculous that I can't go to my local shop and buy them, because some knucklehead came in last week and bought a case of them the minute they arrived. Sorry for the rant, but this type of thing burns me up. I can't exercise my right to reloading as a hobby, because some knucklehead wants to be paranoid.
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Posts: 423 (01/08/10 02:09 AM) active member |
You are lucky to find some HalfCocked. The limit to buying them sounds silly, but at least they can keep them in stock. Too bad that you have to go a long
distance to buy them though. I live in a area that has maybe 10-15 gun shops in a 15 mile area, so you guessed it it is either hit or miss finding any
reloading components not just primers. There is a gun shop that I go to that only records if you buy black powder. They say that if anything happens in the
area with explosions they can use that list to see what some people may have
 stupid, but the police in the area says it has to be done, because some stupid people in the past were hurting themselves and damaging property. No
wonder our gun laws are so strange in some places.
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Posts: 1159 (01/08/10 10:51 AM) |
"because some knucklehead wants to be paranoid"
Not to hijack, but if they spent half as much time writing their Congressman and Senator, they just might not be so "paranoid." This sort of behavior really borders on the "unreasonable" in my opinion. But the world is full of knuckleheads, what ya gonna do? eb
"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776
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Posts: 245 (01/08/10 05:00 PM) active member |
Widener's has Wolf Large and Small Rifle primers. They ship quickly, and you can mitigate the effect of the HazMat charge by combining an order with a
friend, or just ordering at least 5,000 primers. Don't let the HazMat be a killer; the extra price you'd pay at a store or gunshow will wind up coming
to that amount most of the time. If you buy in quantity, you can dilute that and spend less on what would wind up being more frequent trips to the shows or
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Posts: 648 (01/08/10 06:06 PM) Veteran member |
Always buy in bulk for reloading supplies. If you've ever worked up a great, accurate load for a gun and find out you can't duplicate it because the
lot number of one of the components is no longer available it will irritate you to no end. The minimum amount of primers I buy is 1k at a time and I usually
try to get 3 to 5k all of one lot number. Same with powder (buy at least 8 pound jugs at a time) and bullets ( buy 1k at a time minimum). There are lots of
shooters that do this and it's not hoarding or being ignorant. It saves time working up loads again and again because you switched lot numbers and want to
make sure the new component will perform the same. Sometimes they don't! Buying in bulk also saves money depending on where you buy. Years ago I used to
go in with several friends and make a bulk order of primers or powder and then split it up - we would all save some $$. Some gun clubs do this for their
competition shooters. Anyhow, those folks buying several thousand primers at a time might not be hoarding but might just shoot and reload a lot more than you
do. Something to think about.
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Posts: 7178 (01/08/10 06:54 PM) Veteran member |
I would not be so quick to call a person buying up primers or powder in quantity a hoarder. I am in full agreement with what maxima2 said. Most reloaders I
know only buy reloading components once or maybe twice a year, and when they do, they buy in quantity to last them for a year. And with a lot of shops sold out
of the components, finding one that has the items will always result in a run on what they have until they are picked clean also. But unless you personally
know the buyer who buys in quantity, I would not be so fast in passing judgement on them. Sure, there are those who consider the state of the country being
what it is, will tend to hoard ammo and reloading components, but for the most part I don't think there are really that many of those types out there
spending their money.
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Posts: 1162 (01/09/10 12:48 AM) |
As for buying in bulk, what you guys are saying is true. Many of us do buy in quantities of several 'k, once or twice a year. And before the last
presidential election we never had a problem buying these amounts of components, nor did we ever experience a shortage. So miraculously everyone started doing
this at the exact same time?
No, buying habits changed to the extreme in that even more people started buying huge quantities of components (maybe much more than can be used in a single year) because they believe that our government is going to attempt to ban or limit reloading components. That my friend IS "paranoia." I have never in the last 35 years or so seen, nor heard of the type of component shortages being presently experience by you guys back in the states. Like I said, manufacture didn't change, buying habits did. eb
"We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."
Benjamin Franklin, July 4 1776
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Posts: 22 (01/10/10 02:00 AM) |
I can understand buying in bulk. There's no harm in that.
Although, it is hoarding, in my opinion, when the owner of the gun shop rolls his eyes when he sees the same guy coming to buy another case of primers, empty cases, etc .... That is hoarding ! I can see someone buying a case of primers in a year, a couple thousand empty casings, and several pounds of powder. Although, if you were to follow some of these guys home you would see shelves in their garages full of reloading supplies that they are buying up. I agree ... social paranoia and false rumors of 'gun control' have thrown quite a few people into a frenzy. I would think, from a logical standpoint, that their money would be better spent on high capacity magazines, and assault weapon type firearms instead of reloading supplies. After all, those are the first things to go into an anti-firearms bill. They could care less who's reloading what. Make sense? |
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Posts: 341 (01/15/10 10:18 PM) |
Same thing happened in the mid 90's, although I don't remember the shortage being this prolonged. Maybe we could start a rumor about new production
primers having a finite shelf life (say 3 years)? If people are ignorant enough to believe that they will never be able to buy primers again, they should fall
for this as well.
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