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mauserand9mm |
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What is the purpose of the metal spacers used in the stock for the two action screws? (we're talking Mauser here of course)
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Plain Old Bill |
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Just funnin'. I would imagine consistency in action position/bedding, avoidance of crushing of stock by overenthusiastic armorers, and strength under recoil.
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beanstrung |
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Plain Old Bill summed it up pretty well. I would only add, ensuring proper fit of magazine (trigger housing) to underside of receiver.
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Carl Gustav |
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If the metal tube is missing at the rear action screw and you tighten it, it will warp the receiver and cause the bolt to bind. Ask me how I know! :-> Carl
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zeebill |
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That is not just a Mauser thing as I have a couple of Finnish Mosins with tubes added after apparently the stock wood started to break down by the look of it. Them Finn's tried to make everything keep working the way it should in their battle rifles one way or the other. Very resourcful people! Bill
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mauserand9mm |
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I'm not convinced on all fronts though: The action recoil lug is meant to bed against the stock cross bolt and I wouldn't think that that there would be enough give in the timber to have the actions screws pushed against the inside of the sleeves. I believe screw binding at the rear of the action - my Turk is like this too and the spacer there is relatively short, and there is no way the screw could ever be done up to compress the timber to that spacer (must be the wrong spacer). Locating the trigger/magazine housing rings true too, especially with the front sleeve. Some (?) modern rifles have these spacers too, like CZs. The real reason for asking is the fact that I'm missing the front spacer on a (secondhand) CZ and I'm wondering what's going to happen in the long run. I'm hoping that it was a Mauser overdesign "hanger-on" that stayed in the design since the reason may have been lost. (Some CZ models don't have the front spacers anyway, according to the breakdown in the owner manuals.) Zeebill, What sort of damage is apparent in your Mosins with the sleeves? Do the Mosins have the recoil lug cross-bolt? |
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zeebill |
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Yes they have recoil lug cross bolts except for the really early ones. They went from none to a wooden one to the current steel one over the years. Early stocks had no cross bolts, no sling slots, and the slings were slung from the front hand guard band to the front of the mag via sling swivels. By the way if anyone ever sees a front hand guard band with a swivel I need one badly. The Mosins with sleeves have only an occasional tight screw in the rear where the sleeve made it so tight a fit the it worked on the threads in the action or the screws themselves. Ever notice the screw holes in a Mosin stock compared to other rifles? They are huge and allow quite a bit of movement even when the screws are tight enough or over tight even. Adding that spacer cuts this room down quite a bit and cinches the action tightly to the magazine assembly and controls completely the angle and distance of the action and the magazine in the stock. If you cut the sleeve too long in the front or rear there is the distinct possibility of them being able to wobble upward and downward in the stock. Not a situation I would like to deal with for sure. Room for lots of discussion here to say the least! Best to All Bill
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Bryan 45 |
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I didn't see it mentioned in any of the replys above. This is called "pillar bedding".
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zeebill |
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You don't think I am that technical do you Bryan? I am on the learn while you make a mistake at it program with a side interest in the if it ain't broke don't try and fix it field! Bill
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Bryan 45 |
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Some of the aftermarket stock makers (Bell and Carlson maybe?) use to advertise "pillar bedding" like they had just discovered the secret to the Lost Ark or something. No one ever mentioned it had been around for 100+ years! |
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glock357x2 |
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I have a FN Mauser w/o the 'pillar bedding' which, after 40 years, the stock dried out and shrunk to such an extent that the rear action screw extended up thru the rear tang and the trigger bottomed-out against the triggerguard. I resorted to 'glass bedding the action, building up this area to achieve the required clearance between the trigger and the triggerguard. I believe the inventors used the pillar bedding to maintain the same uniform lengths throughout the production and life of these rifles. At least it did with my rifle and the rifle returned to grouping less than an inch with select handloads.
Last Edited By: glock357x2
02/01/10 02:52 AM.
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mauserand9mm |
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The only problem I see is that if the stock shrinks and the sleeves make contact at both ends (action and trigger guard) then the action will move around in the stock at that point. So the sleeves should make contact with the metalwork at both ends but with the stock timber in compression - this would be correct wouldn't it?
I'm almost positive that the recoil lug crossbolt is the key for accuracy. My Verguiero had rotten timber behind the recoil lug crossbolt and the bolt was actually pushed back into the stock a bit. The rifle would string the shots vertically (good minimal horizontal dispersion though). So the pillar bedding didn't seem to help (actually I better check to see if it has the sleeves in it). I ended up digging out the rotten timber inside the stock and doing a bedding job with AcraGlass (can't see it from the outside of course). It has shot some good groups with reloads since I've done this and the vertical stringing is gone. |
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