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jannellesrifleman	Shopping Etiquete	Lead	[-]
Posts: 25 (11/07/09 12:06 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None Just beginning with milsurps... prior purchases were nearly 100% NIB, soo... when examining a potential milsurp buy, after pointing the muzzle in a safe direction, and opening the action to check that there are no cartridges in the fixed magazine, and that the chamber is indeed empty, is it proper gun etiquete to shine a bore-light in the chamber, and examine the barrel/rifling from the muzzle? Or should one remove the bolt and do the exam from the breech? Checking from the breech works with a M-N or other bolt rifles, but would require more dissambly of an SKS, for example. Yes, at home, i do check bores from the muzzle, but in public? - Don "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It"
gpschmidt		#1	[-]
Posts: 733 (11/07/09 12:16 PM) active member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Absolutely appropriate. You're the potential buyer, you should know the condition of the rifle to the best of your ability. I've even asked to have a bore patched through to get the cosmo out. My bore light has an angled end, so I can just open the action and look down the muzzle. Greg Last Edited By: gpschmidt 11/07/09 12:19 PM. Edited 1 times.
Ed Novak		#2	[-]
Posts: 2180 (11/07/09 12:20 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Use a flexible light, open the bolt/breech, shine and look from the muzzle. NRA Endowment member LECS #2
high speed cruise		#3	[-]
Posts: 3238 (11/07/09 12:50 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	If I know I'm going to be stopping by some pawn or gun shops, I'll carry my cleaning kit bag with me and make use of 'bore snakes".....run one through the bore to check for rust, pitting, etc. Once I took a PA63 apart, only to find it was damaged AND I couldn't get it back together. When the shop guy threatened that if I couldn't get it back together I "just bought it." I actually prepared to run for it! I got it back together, then advised them it was missing a part. Later they stopped selling guns at that store..... hsc
Aubullet		#4	[-]
Posts: 1394 (11/07/09 01:31 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The rifling at the muzzle is the most critical to accuracy and cannot be well seen from the breach. The throat area is very important as well, and cannot be seen from the muzzle very well. I always try to look from both ends, and on actions that don't open straight thru, there is a 45 degree mirror / inspection tool, made for the Garand I believe, that allows you to look into the chamber and throat area on semi-autos, pumps and etc. It also works as a bore light with a 90 degree bend if there is overhead or other lighting sources available.
Dalkowski110		#5	[-]
Posts: 1334 (11/07/09 03:01 PM) Forum Co-host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"My bore light has an angled end, so I can just open the action and look down the muzzle. " Same here. My dealer in NY got to the point where he'd actually ask me "wanna check the bore?" He also encouraged me to do muzzle tests and if there were two identical guns selling for basically the same price, he'd advise me on which gun he thought would make the better shooter. The guy here in IN hasn't gotten to that point yet, but he does allow me to play around with my bore light and let me take apart my Romarm Draco to inspect the sometimes-canted gas system (it was a-ok!).
m1 talker		#6	[-]
Posts: 7078 (11/07/09 03:44 PM) Veteran member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Some milsurps I have bought at gun shows were so filled with grease and cosmoline that you would have a major cleaning job to do before you could inspect the rifling in the bore. I know I was taking a big gamble, but I simply went with the outer appearance of the rifle and kept my fingers crossed. Fortunately, I found the more grease and cosmoline packed into the barrel, the better the bore looked after cleaning, and they were the best shooters. But I know a lot of that was simply luck. Curt
stantheman1986	Check the bore	#7	[-]
Posts: 5538 (11/07/09 04:19 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I always check the bore from both ends when buying in person......I once looked at a Finn M39 that was completely sewer piped, and the guy even ran a patch down the bore and tried to tell me that it was fine......as if a patch wet with Hoppes would magically recut the rifling and erase pitting. Looked like a rifle that some idiot shot corrosive out of and then never cleaned for about 3 years, and then sold and "beat" the gun shop, so the guy was trying hard to push it on me........no dice, I handed it back in a hurry. I have bought at gun shows where the bore was full of grease or cosmo, taking a "leap of faith" and only once did I buy an M48 that had maybe an "average" bore after I cleaned it out. I don't sweat it a whole lot for $150 rifles, worst case scenario you get a bad one and you can just part it out and keep the bolt and everything else as spares and sell the barreled action to someone with the means and desire to rebarrel it.
jannellesrifleman	Thanks guys	#8	[-]
Posts: 26 (11/08/09 11:15 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I appreciate everyones' input. Always believed that the only 'stupid' question was the one unasked... Being a charter member of the Belt and Suspenders Society, and the founder of The Pyramids Are Flimsey Construction Association, I am equally anal regarding gun safety and etiquette. Thanks again. - Don No one knows… That packhorse pulling a salt wagon is really a stallion that can run one thousand miles! That stone among the pebbles is precious jade… Still… There are those who know worth, who see truth. - Chong, Ch' ungsin, 1576-1636
reddogge		#9	[-]
Posts: 4962 (11/10/09 08:35 AM) Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's fine to check with a bore light but you must ask permission to dissassemble a gun or take out the bolts first and you better be darn sure you can get it back together. You'd face much embarrassment and perhaps a forced new purchase if you couldn't get it working. Plus you run the risk of breaking it. "What happened? What the HELL happened?" Jake Holman "The Sandpebbles"

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